OK, The Jeep WK2 Grand Cherokee does have one weakness

[Mr Magoo]

to compare 4x4's I currently have 2005 Jeep Wrangler and a 70 series 2016 Toyota Land Cruiser. both were bought new

prior I had a 40 series Land Cruiser back in the '70's and a 60 series Land Cruiser also bought new in the mid '80's that I kept for 12 years

the Jeep leaves for dead in the bush the old 60 series I had and the the current 70 series and has done well over 200,000k's. but being a short wheel base it's very limited to what I can carry, hence why I have a 70 series as well. it reminds me of the old 40 series but a bit more fun

as far as reliability goes it has never let me down. and on a mile by mile basis compared to the old 60 series less things have worn out on the Jeep.
as far as other Jeep models go. I have no clue

they are easy to work on and parts are cheap if you buy direct from the USA, even including shipping from places like Rockauto. recently during the covid lock down I decided to replace the clutch as it had a noisy throw out bearing, and at the time also replaced a weeping front diff pinion seal, replaced all uni joints in both front and rear prop shafts and replaced a leaking rear main seal, pan and rocker gaskets. the leaks weren't bad enough to drip on the ground and the unis werent that bad, but while it was all apart decided may as well do the lot as I like to nip things in the bud before they become a problem

the clutch turned out to be fine, the pilot gearing was shot (too many water crossings) but all was replaced any way

all the parts I used were premium brands like felpro, spicer and LUK and arrived here at my door within a week and cost $650 including fedex

so the old girl was given a birthday, the only things I've had to replace in the past were a radiator and a water pump and of course normal servicing things

mechanical work is what I do for a living and along with prospecting, it gives me a lot of pleasure working on the spanners.
and working for a Big Australian resources company for many many years looking after mech equipment you get to a appreciate reliability and preventative maintenance

That's all standard repairs, nothing to write home about. The problem occurs in the auto electrical/engine management side of it. Get a problem there and things will get sticky.

 

[Keitzy]

That's all standard repairs, nothing to write home about. The problem occurs in the auto electrical/engine management side of it. Get a problem there and things will get sticky.

Which years has the electrical probs.?

 

[Mr Magoo]

That's all standard repairs, nothing to write home about. The problem occurs in the auto electrical/engine management side of it. Get a problem there and things will get sticky.

Which years has the electrical probs.?

It's not the years, it's the availability of information. U S of A has different emission laws from Straya, therefore the ECU's are programmed differently, blah, blah, etc, etc.

Edit: The correct wiring diagrams are very hard/impossible to get hold of.

 

[Idlewild]

That's all standard repairs, nothing to write home about. The problem occurs in the auto electrical/engine management side of it. Get a problem there and things will get sticky.

Which years has the electrical probs.?

It's not the years, it's the availability of information. U S of A has different emission laws from Straya, therefore the ECU's are programmed differently, blah, blah, etc, etc.

Edit: The correct wiring diagrams are very hard/impossible to get hold of.

Really ??? What a load of absolute BS oop:

 

[BigWave]

Steady Idlewild.
Gotta let some Jeep bashers have their fun

 

[diggit]

My old Disco2a has now passed its 9th circumference of planet Earth. Not too shabby for something thats bashed left, right and centre in Australia by fanboys of other marques for 'unreliability '.
Whatever vehicle you prefer, maintenance is the lifeblood of longevity. Treat it right and it will do right by you.

 

[Mr Magoo]

That's all standard repairs, nothing to write home about. The problem occurs in the auto electrical/engine management side of it. Get a problem there and things will get sticky.

Which years has the electrical probs.?

It's not the years, it's the availability of information. U S of A has different emission laws from Straya, therefore the ECU's are programmed differently, blah, blah, etc, etc.

Edit: The correct wiring diagrams are very hard/impossible to get hold of.

Really ??? What a load of absolute BS oop:

BS? So Idlewild where do you get your wiring diagrams from?

I pay a $1300 a yr sub for wiring diagrams but they struggle with Jeep. Obviously you have a better deal. I want to subscribe to them. Thanks

 

[Mr Magoo]

My old Disco2a has now passed its 9th circumference of planet Earth. Not too shabby for something thats bashed left, right and centre in Australia by fanboys of other marques for 'unreliability '.
Whatever vehicle you prefer, maintenance is the lifeblood of longevity. Treat it right and it will do right by you.

Disco's cop a lot of bashing. I don't mind them, info is available and not to bad to work on. Only issue with then is rust but even then, panels are freely available. Just got to find the right bloke to work on them.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Steady Idlewild.
Gotta let some Jeep bashers have their fun

Not a Jeep basher at all. It is what it is. It's what I do. Jeep are cr&p at supplying info. Period.

 

[Idlewild]

That's all standard repairs, nothing to write home about. The problem occurs in the auto electrical/engine management side of it. Get a problem there and things will get sticky.

Which years has the electrical probs.?

It's not the years, it's the availability of information. U S of A has different emission laws from Straya, therefore the ECU's are programmed differently, blah, blah, etc, etc.

Edit: The correct wiring diagrams are very hard/impossible to get hold of.

Really ??? What a load of absolute BS oop:

BS? So Idlewild where do you get your wiring diagrams from?

I pay a $1300 a yr sub for wiring diagrams but they struggle with Jeep. Obviously you have a better deal. I want to subscribe to them. Thanks

I don't subscribe to anyone . Over the years I have bought a fair few aftermarket wiring diagrams just off the internet , mainly to modify looms on particular cars I was building . I don't like the factory diagrams because while I have a reasonable understanding of auto wiring I struggle with them , I find the aftermarket diagrams much simpler . I have bought Jeep diagrams probably 2 or 3 times , the basic loom ( lights , wipers , accessories etc ) are pretty much the same as the US version except the US usually has a couple of extra plugs for things like EBC etc that for some reason they don't put in AU cars . The only difference is the EMS for whatever power plant the car has and while the ECU is programmed differently for different countries emissions the wiring for each particular engine remains pretty much the same . I've never had any problems getting the diagram I need from the aftermarket .
I will agree that Jeep ( the company ) are crap but I love the cars , I'm currently on Jeep number 7 , a WK Grand . Never had any major problems with them , just normal general maintenance .
I avoid having anything to do with the company , they just want to rip you off . I buy any parts I need from the US at a fraction of the price and get them serviced at non dealer Jeep specialists . Cheers

 

[Mr Magoo]

Which years has the electrical probs.?

It's not the years, it's the availability of information. U S of A has different emission laws from Straya, therefore the ECU's are programmed differently, blah, blah, etc, etc.

Edit: The correct wiring diagrams are very hard/impossible to get hold of.

Really ??? What a load of absolute BS oop:

BS? So Idlewild where do you get your wiring diagrams from?

I pay a $1300 a yr sub for wiring diagrams but they struggle with Jeep. Obviously you have a better deal. I want to subscribe to them. Thanks

I don't subscribe to anyone . Over the years I have bought a fair few aftermarket wiring diagrams just off the internet , mainly to modify looms on particular cars I was building . I don't like the factory diagrams because while I have a reasonable understanding of auto wiring I struggle with them , I find the aftermarket diagrams much simpler . I have bought Jeep diagrams probably 2 or 3 times , the basic loom ( lights , wipers , accessories etc ) are pretty much the same as the US version except the US usually has a couple of extra plugs for things like EBC etc that for some reason they don't put in AU cars . The only difference is the EMS for whatever power plant the car has and while the ECU is programmed differently for different countries emissions the wiring for each particular engine remains pretty much the same . I've never had any problems getting the diagram I need from the aftermarket .
I will agree that Jeep ( the company ) are crap but I love the cars , I'm currently on Jeep number 7 , a WK Grand . Never had any major problems with them , just normal general maintenance .
I avoid having anything to do with the company , they just want to rip you off . I buy any parts I need from the US at a fraction of the price and get them serviced at non dealer Jeep specialists . Cheers

Thank you for an honest answer. I agree, diagrams are available on sites like 'Tradebit' etc but often I have been caught out (often end up asking for refund from lack of info or incorrect diagrams - not necessarily Jeep). So I pay a sub. I can't justify time to a client to research an incorrect diagram but happy to work with a diagram they supply.

As a vehicle, I don't have a problem with them. On a personal level, I don't like them but that's just based on my personal judgement (each to their own). Although on a professional level they have been one of my biggest headaches (not the biggest) but I don't see any vehicle on a normal basis. All I deal with are other's (workshops) headaches and Jeep is up there, whether BigWave likes it or not. Not interested in 'Bashing' any brand (Tata and Mahindra not included).

You are correct about the differences but it can be an absolute headache when doing engine management diagnostics . Buying from the US is often a good deal if you can allow for the time.

Take care.

 

[Goldchaser1]

RM mentioned jeep ute i noticed and i had a look the other day,shame there not bringing in the v6 diesel because that gladiator is a serious bit of gear,solid diffs(dana44?s) 5 link coil rear,lock diffs option,8 speed auto,its got alot to offer.


[video=480,360]https://youtu.be/Z60rfa2xyIA[/video]

 

[RM Outback]

I'm pretty sure you can bring one in as a special order :Y: obviously has to meet the standard but you can get one here if you want one.

I'm absolutely certain we will be seeing jeep ute's as a common vehicle in the not to distant future, not such as Toyota but nonetheless common. Stands to reason given how popular the SUV's are.

 

[Goldchaser1]

I'm pretty sure you can bring one in as a special order :Y: obviously has to meet the standard but you can get one here if you want one.

I'm absolutely certain we will be seeing jeep ute's as a common vehicle in the not to distant future, not such as Toyota but nonetheless common. Stands to reason given how popular the SUV's are.

Ive been researching them a bit rm and word atm is no diesel for oz
Reason is ive got a dmax with 40k on it now,its our prospecting truck,its been good but do i trust it long term bashing about wa loaded up or out checkin areas a bit remote,not totally,i dont think these ifs utes are heavy duty,priced a new 79 dual cab a cuppla weeks ago but geez if jeep had that in a v6 diesel here id have a look,it makes the cruza look a bit ordinary on paper......
the wheelbase is 3-400 longer for starters.....

PS RM: https://www.caradvice.com.au/856343/diesel-dead-for-jeep-gladiator/

 

[RM Outback]

:| their loss :N: your right the V6 diesel would be worthy of inspection :Y: looks like it would knock off the 79 as a buyers preference.

 

[Goldfreak]

How about the 4.7lt v8? Economical? :|

 

[Goldchaser1]

Yep aussies are screaming out for solid diffs and diesel,only option is the 79s,it could rattle the cruza perch a bit rm..... only if....
goldfreak,oh no thanks,youd need a 300 ltr tank

 

[Idlewild]

How about the 4.7lt v8? Economical? :|

The 4.7 finished in the WH .
I've had a couple of them , pretty lazy old V8 , only made about 170 kw so not at all stressed . Not a bad old engine .
They will run around 10 L/100k on the highway , towing a 1.8 T van I had at the time they would run around 17 - 20 L/100 .

 

[Goldfreak]

Yep aussies are screaming out for solid diffs and diesel,only option is the 79s,it could rattle the cruza perch a bit rm..... only if....
goldfreak,oh no thanks,youd need a 300 ltr tank

Hahaha, maybe if fuel gets to 20c per litre.

 

[Goldfreak]

How about the 4.7lt v8? Economical? :|

The 4.7 finished in the WH .
I've had a couple of them , pretty lazy old V8 , only made about 170 kw so not at all stressed . Not a bad old engine .
They will run around 10 L/100k on the highway , towing a 1.8 T van I had at the time they would run around 17 - 20 L/100 .

that's impressive. I have heard Big motors can do that because they aren't running hard and sort of idle along. Had a petrol v6 4wd once but it was a real guzzler so went back to a small gutless deisel.