hi all im max from horsham vic, i started detecting last year with a eureka and after 8 months i found my 1st sub gramer, but was getting sick of digging hot rocks but i must say it was a good way to start of playing with basic settings and listening to different target signals. i no have a 4500 and luv it (finding a bit more yella now). i spend heeps of time reading posts on this forum as it is full of great advice so i thought i better join. thanks for the add cheers maxi