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Michael Cohen
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In west Africa and Southern Africa there are structured buying offices for Diamonds and Gold.

Has anyone ever set up offices in Australia?

Cheers
Mike
 
In Sierra Leone the Diamond and Gold buying offices are in Freetown. And in Ghana in Acara. In South Africa Kimberley, Brakley West, Wolmarnastad and Johannesburg.

I have done quite a search on the net looking for something like that in Australia. But I don't see anything.

Were there ever historical areas that have buying offices or central selling organizations?

If yes can some give me links or history. If not how did the small digging operations sell their gold and get a fair price.

Any info would be welcome. :)

Cheers
Mike
 
Mate, I dont quite understand where you are at?
We sell lots of gold to buyers here that are legitimate businesses...
Can you explain a little more about where you are at?
 
Looking for how the history of how gem and gold trading grew.

I know how the gem and gold trades today. But I don't see the same kind of small town buying offices like they have in other countries.

I assume it is because of the size of the country that made it difficult for the miners to get the buyers to visit the mining areas.

Diamond mining in South Africa was centralised at the Kimberley market which lead to the formation of De Beers.

What I would like to find out is how the history of trading worked.

I have looked at the mining museums, they have a lot on the history of the areas but I didn't find many references to trading.

Would you know where I could find the history of the trade?

I am researching the information for my company.

Cheers
Mike
 
In the colony of NSW (then later Australia) from the time of the first gold rush in 1851, it was compulsory for all gold to be sold to the government or its agents, at the dictated price within 10 days of discovery. This law was put in place in an attempt to stop people taking gold out of the country, rather than it going to swell the coffers of mother England. The law was only repealed over a hundred years later by Prime Minister Edward Gough Whitlam (1972-75). The government also made all gold discoveries tax free in an attempt to encourage mining.

The banks would exchange money for gold in the major cities. On the goldfields informal exchanges would take place, at a much lower price than the official rate, allowing the buyer to transport it to the nearest major town and make a profit.

Initially the gold was transported by mail, but as the volume of gold massively increased (mostly from government licence fees) being sent from the new goldfields back to Sydney or Melbourne the government introduced gold escorts which left as often as twice a day from the busier fields. The miners would pay a fee to have their gold sent to the city with the escort. The government didn't insure against losses and the rise of the bushranger made this a real risk for miners.

Later private companies backed by insurers started offering private escort services (no not those kind! sheesh!) fully insured against losses at similar rates to the government uninsured escorts.

The miners would take their gold to the escort's pick up points and receive a receipt for their gold, and they would pay for the escort service. The gold would then be transported to the city (averaging 6km/hr for government services and faster for the private escorts which also offered express services) The escort would pick up at a number of locations on a field and on the return journey. Typically the fee was a shilling an ounce.

Later the miner would journey to Sydney or Melbourne with the original receipt and front up at the office and he would have to satisfy 3 tests, a) he needed to have the receipt , b) he needed to prove his identity was the same as the receipt, and c) he would have to adequately describe the gold! The last two steps were necessary as receipts were sometimes stolen, and the gold fraudulently claimed. If claimants couldnt satisfy the three requirements the gold was forfeited to the government. A continual source of bitterness for miners, the government neither acknowledged liability, nor provided compensation, if the gold didnt reach its destination.

Once the miner had reclaimed his gold he could then exchange it at the bank for the government specified price.

And this is how Australia became rich.
 
Ditherer and Son said:
In the colony of NSW (then later Australia) from the time of the first gold rush in 1851, it was compulsory for all gold to be sold to the government or its agents, at the dictated price within 10 days of discovery. This law was put in place in an attempt to stop people taking gold out of the country, rather than it going to swell the coffers of mother England. The law was only repealed over a hundred years later by Prime Minister Edward Gough Whitlam (1972-75). The government also made all gold discoveries tax free in an attempt to encourage mining.

The banks would exchange money for gold in the major cities. On the goldfields informal exchanges would take place, at a much lower price than the official rate, allowing the buyer to transport it to the nearest major town and make a profit.

Initially the gold was transported by mail, but as the volume of gold massively increased (mostly from government licence fees) being sent from the new goldfields back to Sydney or Melbourne the government introduced gold escorts which left as often as twice a day from the busier fields. The miners would pay a fee to have their gold sent to the city with the escort. The government didn't insure against losses and the rise of the bushranger made this a real risk for miners.

Later private companies backed by insurers started offering private escort services (no not those kind! sheesh!) fully insured against losses at similar rates to the government uninsured escorts.

The miners would take their gold to the escort's pick up points and receive a receipt for their gold, and they would pay for the escort service. The gold would then be transported to the city (averaging 6km/hr for government services and faster for the private escorts which also offered express services) The escort would pick up at a number of locations on a field and on the return journey. Typically the fee was a shilling an ounce.

Later the miner would journey to Sydney or Melbourne with the original receipt and front up at the office and he would have to satisfy 3 tests, a) he needed to have the receipt , b) he needed to prove his identity was the same as the receipt, and c) he would have to adequately describe the gold! The last two steps were necessary as receipts were sometimes stolen, and the gold fraudulently claimed. If claimants couldnt satisfy the three requirements the gold was forfeited to the government. A continual source of bitterness for miners, the government neither acknowledged liability, nor provided compensation, if the gold didnt reach its destination.

Once the miner had reclaimed his gold he could then exchange it at the bank for the government specified price.

And this is how Australia became rich.

This is great mate, is this yours? and could I use this?

Seems that the model was a lot like the US in some ways using Wells Fargo.

Thanks for the info much appreciated :D

If you come across any links or pictures please post them for me.

Cheers
Mike
 
Ah yes my friends, .... those halcyon days when the face value of Flat Money was backed and guaranteed the nations true reserves of physical gold.
 
Palmer Digger said:
Ah yes my friends, .... those halcyon days when the face value of Flat Money was backed and guaranteed the nations true reserves of physical gold.

We believe those days are on the way back. Hold all the gold you can and buy as much as silver you can too.

Fiat currencies will collapse and the 6 thousand years where gold was the money will be back.

Over the past 2 weeks gold in the physical has all but sold out, there is now a 2 month waiting period for gold ordered and paid for today.

Gold is Money

Don't sell it !!
 
G,day Mr Ditherer &Son

Good article ! Was it correct that before Gough repealed the Law All gold was the property of the Government and in Your article it mentioned a set time to be handed over.

Regards L/R
 
G'day guys,

Most of those words above were mine, I did copy and paste a few sentences from the University of Melbourne's research, and rehash some more info from a few other sources including National Library of Australia, several books on the gold rush era and on Hargraves himself, as well as publications from Mogo historic village on NSW south coast.

Best if you reuse the info to re-write it anyway, it's good practice.

For interesting comparisons, Bendigo is historically by far the largest single gold producing location in Australia, having "officially" produced over 600 tonnes of the yellow. Today that title has moved to WA.

In the 1850's during the peak of the gold rush, Australia produced over 40% of the world's gold production. Today we are the second largest producing nation on earth, delivering around 250 tonnes of gold per year. Today China is the largest producer and consumer, which is interesting considering the huge impact of Chinese over here and in California during the gold rushes.

It is not possible to guess at how much gold was taken back to China by the Chinese, but the amount would not be even close to being recorded in the official figures. Typically they did not use the services of the gold escorts, and it is known that the gold commissioners, like the miners, didn't trust the Chinese to declare their finds.

In September 1851, the first gold escort was established, from Ballarat to Melbournes Treasury, and Geelong. A month later, a second service was established from Mount Alexander. The first gold escort, from Ballarat to Geelong, comprised of a party of mounted police, two troopers, two Native Police and the Gold Commissioner. Yet this, too, soon proved inadequate. In July 1852, three tons of gold was escorted to Melbourne in seven drays, accompanied by seventeen soldiers on foot and six on horseback.

I know that at Ophir, the gold escorts to Sydney from Ophir and the Turon river fields were departing twice a week at the height of the rush, with sometimes 3000-5000 Oz aboard. Individual miners would sometimes send 300-600 Oz. Other escorts ran from Hill End and Sofala and there were even escorts from the Mudgee area and the Barrington, Gloucester, Nundle and Northern fields to Maitland, where it would meet a coastal ship to Sydney.

As for the set time of 10 days to hand over the gold, it later became 30 days under Australian Law and this was carried right through including being repeated in the federal government's Banking Act of 1959. Section IV of which deals with gold ownership, and is still on the statute books, subject to the treasurer's announcement in January 1976. This was by the Liberal Party treasurer Philip Lynch (John Howard's immediate predecessor in the role) who had to manage the Whitlam Government's published reports of June 1975 recommending repeal of the laws.

The announcement made by the treasurer was that, far from total repeal, the laws would be suspended as of 30 Jan 1976. This means that they can in fact be re-introduced at any time, not by the parliament, but by the decision of the Governor General (even against the wishes of the Government of the day - unlikely but possible) which would amount to a confiscation of all gold by the commonwealth (with full payment though).

This has been done before, most notably by the US government.

Section IV of the Banking Act 1959 is interesting reading and can be found at http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2012C00911/Html/Text#_Toc343263623

Here is the text of the actual suspension announcement made on 30 Jan 1976 by press release:

"
PRESS RELEASE No 29

EMGARBO 6.00pm

STATEMENT BY THE TREASURER, THE HON PHILLIP LYNCH, M.P.

PRIVATE OWNERSHIP AND SALE OF GOLD BY AUSTRALIAN RESIDENTS
SUSPENSION OF PART IV OF THE BANKING ACT

The Treasurer, Mr Phillip Lynch, said today that Commonwealth restrictions on the freedom of Australian residents to own, buy and sell gold in Australia had been removed.

He added that current restrictions on the purchase of gold coins had also been removed.

Australian residents could now export and import gold subject to normal exchange control and customs procedures.

Mr Lynch pointed out that legislation existed in some States to regulate gold buying and some dealings in gold.

The Treasurer was commenting on the effect of the suspension of Part IV of the Banking Act 1959-1974 by His Excellency the Administrator in Council on 30 January.

In terms of this part of the Banking Act, gold, apart from wrought gold and gold coins to a limited extent, had to be delivered to the Reserve Bank of Australia within one month of its coming into a person's possession.

The legislation had restricted the sale of gold in Australia only to the Reserve Bank or a person authorised by the bank.

It had also prohibited the export of gold without the Reserve Bank's permission.

Mr Lynch said the reasons for these restrictions on gold dealings by Australians no longer existed.

The role of gold in the international monetary system had declined substantially in recent years.

Similar restraints were not placed by the Commonwealth on dealings in silver, precious stones or other like forms of investment.

He noted that several other developed countries, including the United States and Japan, had removed restrictions on the private ownership of, and dealings in, gold.

A number of European countries also had no restrictions on gold holdings.

The Treasurer also pointed out that the Industries Assistance Commission, in its report on the "Production of Gold" dated 5 Jun 1975, had expressed doubts that the continued existence of the restrictions on gold transactions in Australia served any useful purpose.

Submissions received from the Gold Producers' Association (GPA) had pressed for removal of restrictions on gold marketing in Australia.

The Association welcomed the Government's decision to suspect Part IV of the Banking Act.

The Reserve Bank had been holding discussions with the GPA, the Banks and gold refiners to ensure that the marketing of Australia's gold was not disrupted.

The Treasurer said that gold producers, for the time being, would still be able to take their gold to banks or to refiners as they had done in the past.

However, if they wished they could now also sell their gold in other ways.

The industry would, in future, have greater flexibility in the disposal and marketing of its output.

Mr Lynch mentioned that investment in gold was not risk free and it involved significant costs such as storage, insurance and assaying.

An outline of the history of gold controls in Australia is attached.

30 Jan 1976
CANBERRA ACT

ATTACHMENT TO PRESS RELEASE ON PRIVATE OWNERSHIP AND SALE OF GOLD BY AUSTRALIAN RESIDENTS

GOLD CONTROLS IN AUSTRALIA - HISTORY

Australia, like most countries was on the Gold Standard before the First World War. Currency notes were circulated alongside, and were freely convertible into, gold coins. There were no restrictions on the import or export of gold. Legislation existed in some States to protect gold miners and to regulate the buying and smelting of gold.

The War disrupted the operations of the Gold Standard because of the physical difficulties of shipping gold and the special problems involved in financing the War effort. In 1915 Australia followed the United Kingdom in leaving the Gold Standard. Gold exports except with the Treasurer's consent were prohibited until Australia returned to the Gold Standard along with the UK in 1925.

In 1929 falling export prices and the cessation of long-term borrowing abroad called for special measures to conserve Australias overseas funds. The Commonwealth Bank Act in 1929 provided for the Bank (of which the Reserve Bank of Australia is the legal successor) to requisition all Australian gold in return for Australian notes. Formal action was never taken under this legislation but it marked the beginning of the end of holding of gold by banks and the public in Australia. In fact, there were no Commonwealth restrictions on the ownership and sale of gold between 1925 and 1939. Banks voluntarily accepted deposits with the Commonwealth Bank in return for their gold.

The outbreak of World War II again called for special Commonwealth gold controls. In 1939 regulations under the Defence Act provided for the acquisition by the Commonwealth Bank of newly won and other gold; regulations under the Customs Act prohibited the export of gold from Australia without authority.

After the war these controls were continued in the Banking Act and with some modifications were exercised by the Reserve Bank until today.

Until 1931 new-mined gold was added to the Commonwealth Banks stocks. The Bank made gold available to meet domestic industrial demand; exports were strictly controlled. The effect was to centralise gold in the Commonwealth Banks hands as part of Australias international liquidity.

In 1951 a premium over the official IMF price for gold emerged in world markets. Arrangements were made for Australian producers to obtain this premium for gold sold overseas. The Gold Producers Association was formed specifically for this purpose. In practice the Commonwealth Bank allowed the Association to repurchase the gold for sale overseas provided the foreign exchange earnings were returned to Australia and thus added to our international reserves. The Bank continued to retain sufficient gold to meet domestic demand.

In the 1960s the gold premium rose markedly. For a time the major countries (not including Australia) sold gold to the free market to keep the price down. This was abandoned in 1968 when the major central banks agreed (Washington Agreement) not to add gold to their official reserves by way of purchases from the private markets. Australia was not a party to the Agreement but co-operated in it. Hence, the Reserve Bank held Australias gold reserves virtually constant and although the legislation required newly-won gold to be delivered to it, in practice the Bank returned it to the producers. Gold producers were permitted to export gold and sell to domestic industrial users. These arrangements continued until the suspension of Part IV.

EFFECTS OF SUSPENDING COMMONWEALTH CONTROLS

One effect of suspension is that gold producers (and the Reserve Bank) are freed from the requirement to pass newly-mined gold bank and forth between them.

More importantly suspension widens the market for sales of gold by the producers. Hitherto, they have been free to meet export demands but have been limited domestically to sales for professional and trade purposes. Now, so far as Commonwealth Law is concerned, they may sell to any person within or outside Australia. Concurrently of course, the previous Commonwealth restrictions on who may buy, hold and deal in gold are withdrawn. Although imports were not controlled, imported gold was subject to delivery to the Reserve Bank. Gold may now be imported free of this control.

Restrictions on the holdings of gold coins also have been withdrawn. Hitherto holdings of coins with an aggregate gold content of more than $50 required the prior consent of the Reserve Bank. The Bank administered their provision so as to enable genuine collectors to improve their collections and to permit dealers to meet the needs of genuine collectors.

While the Commonwealth restrictions have been removed there is still legislation in some States dealing with gold. Essentially legislation in Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia requires gold buyers or gold smelters in those States to hold a State licence. Certain classes of industrial users of gold are exempted from the licensing provisions. It will, of course be up to individuals wishing to buy gold to comply with State legislation.

MARKETING ARRANGEMENTS

The Reserve Bank has been in touch with the main parties concerned with the handling of Australian gold to ensure a smooth transition to the new situation. These parties are the representatives of the producers themselves (the GPA), the four refiners (including the Perth Mint which is the major refiner) and the Australian banks who have handled the transmission of much of the gold from mine to refiner.

In practice, newly-won gold hitherto has been sent by the producers to the refiners either direct or through one of the Banks. The refiner paid the producer the official price less assay and refining costs; the refiner received the official price for the gold from the Reserve Bank. Similarly, the Reserve Bank informed the Gold Producers Association of the gold available for sale and recouped from the Association the official price. The GPA then sold the gold domestically or overseas at the ruling market price and passed the premium over the official price back to the original producers.

In future, the steps involving the Reserve Bank will be omitted, and, as a technicality, the refiners and banks will not be agents of the Reserve Bank in this connection. Otherwise, there will be no essential change in the handling of newly-won gold because of suspension of Part IV. Eventually, of course, the greater freedom in gold trading may lead to new practices.

CANBERRA ACT
20 January 1976
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This image is called "The Gold Escort - Bendigo" and was painted in 1856 by Samuel Charles Brees. It is available from the pictures collection of the State Library of Victoria.
 
Hi Ditherer and Son

Thank you for posting this, fantastic and exactly what I am looking for.

I will rewrite it, much appreciated. :D

Cheers
Mike
 

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