Camping while detecting WA

Hello, I'm planning a longer trip out around laverton and I'm bringing the family. We plan on using a motor home and a utv for me to take off on.
Reading through the miners right I'm allowed to camp and take water for the purposes of prospecting, and I'm hoping a common sense approach is ok with this. I want to camp as close to my target area as possible while staying where the kids won't fall down an old mine shaft. It wouldn't be a camp ground.

What's your advice?

Hi Tim
You will have to take your own water in with you as there be non available to take from the stations. You can fill your water tanks in the Laverton b4 you head out into the field.
Make sure that you have the relevant permissions for the areas that you will be going to and make sure that you advise the Pastoral Lease Holder of where you will be.

You will need the supervise your kids all the time so that they do not become lost in the scrub. It can be very easy to get separated out there.
Also, dont bring the dog if you have one as there will be baits laying around the place.

Yeah bob i did consider the baits. Its a bugger.
I plan to gps the kids and keep an eye on them.
Own water and toilet is the idea of the motor home.

also be careful where you try to take that motor home Tim .. those things get bogged very easy, & there has been rainfall in the region.

Ded Driver said:

also be careful where you try to take that motor home Tim .. those things get bogged very easy, & there has been rainfall in the region.

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Definately, the rv will only go on good roads. I'm towing a powerful utv with it with a winch and tow ropes to pull me out if needed

Perth Tim said:

Hello, I'm planning a longer trip out around laverton and I'm bringing the family. We plan on using a motor home and a utv for me to take off on.
Reading through the miners right I'm allowed to camp and take water for the purposes of prospecting, and I'm hoping a common sense approach is ok with this. I want to camp as close to my target area as possible while staying where the kids won't fall down an old mine shaft. It wouldn't be a camp ground.

What's your advice?

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Hi Tim, no you can't just take water. It's in drought out here with many stations flat out trying to keep water up to thier cattle. Bring your own water with you. Please steer clear of and don't camp near water points. Most of the water (on Erlistoun at least) is not real palatable for humans anyway...brackish or saline. Cattle will drink it, but then they also lick each others bums.

Don't bring dogs or firearms.
As for towing out your RV, remember you can be liable for any damage to roads and track so best not get it stuck in the first place.

G'day Tim

This time of year you have to pick your camp spots carefully, more particularly if you are driving anything less than a 4x4, the reason being that you may well get into a spot easily enough but get a steady rain shower in the night and by morning you might find yourself stuck, if you don't mind being in the one spot for awhile choose a nice hard spot on higher ground so at least you can wait it out if you have to, also remember that if you are with others you may have someone get sick or injured and you might need to get out in a hurry, so planning an exit route is necessary as driving out of the bush can look very different at night.

Its always better to be completely self sufficient when it comes to food and water, as you can not rely on any water source outside of the towns, as previously mentioned it can be brackish or have other contaminants and personally I would not drink any of it unless I was lost and had no other choice, and certainly would not be giving it to any children, if you have the means to filter or sterilize it then thats another matter, for the most part it will be ok to wash with but not to drink.

cheers

stayyerAU

madtuna said:

Perth Tim said:

Hello, I'm planning a longer trip out around laverton and I'm bringing the family. We plan on using a motor home and a utv for me to take off on.
Reading through the miners right I'm allowed to camp and take water for the purposes of prospecting, and I'm hoping a common sense approach is ok with this. I want to camp as close to my target area as possible while staying where the kids won't fall down an old mine shaft. It wouldn't be a camp ground.

What's your advice?

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Hi Tim, no you can't just take water. It's in drought out here with many stations flat out trying to keep water up to thier cattle. Bring your own water with you. Please steer clear of and don't camp near water points. Most of the water (on Erlistoun at least) is not real palatable for humans anyway...brackish or saline. Cattle will drink it, but then they also lick each others bums.

Don't bring dogs or firearms.
As for towing out your RV, remember you can be liable for any damage to roads and track so best not get it stuck in the first place.

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To be clear, i would of course take my own water purely because i don't want to drink salty water cows have crapoed in, but the advice from the dmp is clear that you can I'm not making it up.

Definately agree on the rain blocking exits, not much control over that within reason i guess.
What do you use on long trips to keep an eye on the weather?

Perth Tim said:

madtuna said:

Perth Tim said:

Hello, I'm planning a longer trip out around laverton and I'm bringing the family. We plan on using a motor home and a utv for me to take off on.
Reading through the miners right I'm allowed to camp and take water for the purposes of prospecting, and I'm hoping a common sense approach is ok with this. I want to camp as close to my target area as possible while staying where the kids won't fall down an old mine shaft. It wouldn't be a camp ground.

What's your advice?

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Hi Tim, no you can't just take water. It's in drought out here with many stations flat out trying to keep water up to thier cattle. Bring your own water with you. Please steer clear of and don't camp near water points. Most of the water (on Erlistoun at least) is not real palatable for humans anyway...brackish or saline. Cattle will drink it, but then they also lick each others bums.

Don't bring dogs or firearms.
As for towing out your RV, remember you can be liable for any damage to roads and track so best not get it stuck in the first place.

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To be clear, i would of course take my own water purely because i don't want to drink salty water cows have crapoed in, but the advice from the dmp is clear that you can I'm not making it up.

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Also from the DMIRS website Tim..."Prospectors should abide by instructions about water supply for stock, firearms and dogs."

Our instructions are do not interfere with our wells, bores, troughs, solar pumps, tanks and mills or take our water. We are in drought, we are struggling with water. We can't water our cattle and you.

Also in regards to camping, you can't just camp anywhere. You can camp for the purpose of prospecting, but on an EL, ML, PL etc.. you need either the 40E permit or written permission from the lease holder to prospect. You can camp on VCL or pending without permission.

These things were clarified with DMIRS sitting around my kitchen table not 3 weeks ago.

Can't be any clearer than that!

madtuna said:

Perth Tim said:

madtuna said:

Perth Tim said:

Hello, I'm planning a longer trip out around laverton and I'm bringing the family. We plan on using a motor home and a utv for me to take off on.
Reading through the miners right I'm allowed to camp and take water for the purposes of prospecting, and I'm hoping a common sense approach is ok with this. I want to camp as close to my target area as possible while staying where the kids won't fall down an old mine shaft. It wouldn't be a camp ground.

What's your advice?

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Hi Tim, no you can't just take water. It's in drought out here with many stations flat out trying to keep water up to thier cattle. Bring your own water with you. Please steer clear of and don't camp near water points. Most of the water (on Erlistoun at least) is not real palatable for humans anyway...brackish or saline. Cattle will drink it, but then they also lick each others bums.

Don't bring dogs or firearms.
As for towing out your RV, remember you can be liable for any damage to roads and track so best not get it stuck in the first place.

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To be clear, i would of course take my own water purely because i don't want to drink salty water cows have crapoed in, but the advice from the dmp is clear that you can I'm not making it up.

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Also from the DMIRS website Tim..."Prospectors should abide by instructions about water supply for stock, firearms and dogs."

Our instructions are do not interfere with our wells, bores, troughs, solar pumps, tanks and mills or take our water. We are in drought, we are struggling with water. We can't water our cattle and you.

Also in regards to camping, you can't just camp anywhere. You can camp for the purpose of prospecting, but on an EL, ML, PL etc.. you need either the 40E permit or written permission from the lease holder to prospect. You can camp on VCL or pending without permission.

These things were clarified with DMIRS sitting around my kitchen table not 3 weeks ago.

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Of course, you can't interfer with pastrol activities. The intent of the act with regards to taking water as a prospector sounds like we are discussing 2 different volumes. My read of it is I'm allowed to take 2 litres to fill my camelbak while I'm in the act of prospecting (out of desperation I'm sure). You seem to assume i mean fill my 200 litre rv tanks, which i agree would not be in the spirit of the mines act.
As always i think a common sense approach and talking to the lease holders is best

Perth Tim said:

madtuna said:

Perth Tim said:

madtuna said:

Perth Tim said:

Hello, I'm planning a longer trip out around laverton and I'm bringing the family. We plan on using a motor home and a utv for me to take off on.
Reading through the miners right I'm allowed to camp and take water for the purposes of prospecting, and I'm hoping a common sense approach is ok with this. I want to camp as close to my target area as possible while staying where the kids won't fall down an old mine shaft. It wouldn't be a camp ground.

What's your advice?

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Hi Tim, no you can't just take water. It's in drought out here with many stations flat out trying to keep water up to thier cattle. Bring your own water with you. Please steer clear of and don't camp near water points. Most of the water (on Erlistoun at least) is not real palatable for humans anyway...brackish or saline. Cattle will drink it, but then they also lick each others bums.

Don't bring dogs or firearms.
As for towing out your RV, remember you can be liable for any damage to roads and track so best not get it stuck in the first place.

Click to expand...

To be clear, i would of course take my own water purely because i don't want to drink salty water cows have crapoed in, but the advice from the dmp is clear that you can I'm not making it up.

Click to expand...

Also from the DMIRS website Tim..."Prospectors should abide by instructions about water supply for stock, firearms and dogs."

Our instructions are do not interfere with our wells, bores, troughs, solar pumps, tanks and mills or take our water. We are in drought, we are struggling with water. We can't water our cattle and you.

Also in regards to camping, you can't just camp anywhere. You can camp for the purpose of prospecting, but on an EL, ML, PL etc.. you need either the 40E permit or written permission from the lease holder to prospect. You can camp on VCL or pending without permission.

These things were clarified with DMIRS sitting around my kitchen table not 3 weeks ago.

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Of course, you can't interfer with pastrol activities. The intent of the act with regards to taking water as a prospector sounds like we are discussing 2 different volumes. My read of it is I'm allowed to take 2 litres to fill my camelbak while I'm in the act of prospecting (out of desperation I'm sure). You seem to assume i mean fill my 200 litre rv tanks, which i agree would not be in the spirit of the mines act.
As always i think a common sense approach and talking to the lease holders is best

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No where in your original post did you mention volume, so what else am I supposed to assume?
Ofcause in a time of desperation nobody in thier right mind would deny you water or anything for that matter to ensure you health and safety.
But... if you need to score two litres of water from a trough obviously something has gone wrong and 99% of times that is a direct result of poor planning.

Plan better please and don't take our water.

Three years ago some toss pott drilled holes in a pipe running from a mill to the tank so he could have a shower.
Two years ago some idiot tried to get water out of a tank, gouged his leg badly on some rusty iron requiring stitches. Sent us the bill, we told him to get stuffed.
Last year some prick caused over $7000 damage when he destroyed a mill trying to get water. Again last year some perverted twist squeezed out a steamer through a tank inspection hole and clogged the poly with toilet paper.
Every year some clown desides to do thier washing up in a trough.

Again please, don't take and stay away from our waters.

edit: you are right though, communicate with the pastoralist. We can tell you if there is a well handy you can get water from or not and if it's suitable for drinking.
Often if we have water spare we even invite prospectors to drop by the homestead and get fresh rain water. I've also lost count of the times I delivered rain water out to prospectors camped out, some of them forum members here.
But don't just help yourself...ask first.

That's disappointing to hear people would do such inconsiderate stuff, but I'm not surprised either. No wonder you're hopping mad!
Ideally we should camp, prospect and leave no impact.
Apprechiate the advice.

Thanks, not hopping mad though, but I can get that way with some of the idiots out here. Water is critical, and here at the homestead we have had under 50mm rainfall for the year to date. We don't have the ground water about which usually carries us through to November.

Due to the lack of rainfall we've been hit bad by camels and horse this year. The poor cattle are lucky to get a sip when the camels and horses arrive.

I coathangered Rockhunter62 (Doug) and his lovely wife Carol to give me a hand knocking off camels and fixing wells last week. We'd have much prefered to have been out detecting