It's impossible to determine any likely value for a previously-worked alluvial deposit. There's simply nothing to base such an estimate on. Any such value claims aren't even guesswork - they're absolute nonsense.
Neville Perry
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Well just seen the interveiw and had a thought why dont we get a online patition going on all the prospecting sites and just back Nev , if everyone signes it ,it may help his case and let heritage know that we are seriouse about or hobby and that they dont have the right to change the law to suit themselves ,I would put the patition up but dont know how maybe someone has the knowhow , just my two bobs worth on this goverment BS . PP
ozziegold
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Hello members.
Nev and myself thank you for the responses of your thoughts to the matter that we all viewed last night. I thought the show only gave a very brief outline on what has actually happened.
Heritage Victoria’s decision here, sets a precedent in law that leaves a lot of other people open to have similar thing happen. Not only to miners, but to our vast farming community out there, who think their land that is legally owned by themselves is untouchable.
Heritage Victoria can do as they like on this land, placing claim to as much property as they wish, because, to them it is a simple process to bulldoze their will upon the likes of any individual person out there.
There are many things that if bought them to the fore, it would upset lots of people. Nev and Mick have had to go to great lengths and expense, to fight these Government officials, they are a law unto themselves.
One instance was where Nev and his barrister, attended a convened hearing in Melbourne by Heritage Victoria. At the start of the meeting, on advice from his counselor, Nev stood up and addressed the meeting, that he was advising them he intended to record the hearing.
The man in charge said, you can’t do that, shut down your recorder, Nev replied he would not. So, the bailiff was ordered to escort Mr Perry out of the room.
Where he sat in the corridor throughout the hearing, leaving his Barrister to answer questions, he didn’t even get a chance to give his side of the story or ask any questions himself.
They decided to place a heritage order over approximately one third of his land, not only the diggings but with a 25-metre boundary outside the digs. (His total land being over 500 acres).
This now deemed heritage land, is not allowed to be farmed, but it must be maintained by the owner, he must pay the rates and charges as necessary on it. The Government does not compensate him for any loss of livelihood, farming or otherwise on this parcel of land.
They do not pay any public liability insurance on it, so if someone jumps the fence and is injured or killed, falling down a shaft, they are not held liable.
How can this be? What has Australia become under these Governments?
Sadly, it could be your turn next!!
Regards: ozziegold, John C.
If your into conspiracy theories, this could be one. Be interesting to know what goes on in the future say if the land is now deemed useless ( i.e for mining and or farming) and nobody pays the rates, who benefits.
Imagine if BHP owned the land, bet the State Gov would want the income generated in their coffers and would bend over backwards to make it happen.
Just joking, they wouldn't do that,......... would they?
Imagine if BHP owned the land, bet the State Gov would want the income generated in their coffers and would bend over backwards to make it happen.
Just joking, they wouldn't do that,......... would they?
Teemore
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Feel for the bloke especially as he is also fighting a mammoth health battle.
My 2 bobs worth, playing the devils advocate, according to VicPlan the majority of that and adjoining land is zoned FZ (from memory) that means "farming/agricultural", anything that destroys that ability is usually frowned upon, mining is outside that zoning. Areas are also clearly listed as HO (Heritage Overlay) .... not being listed on the Heritage Register does not negate that there is a Heritage overlay on the land. Many people by property/houses with Heritage Overlays and must comply with Heritage requirements, happens regularly when people want to renovate old building (and again they do not need to be listed on the heritage Register.
Haven't seen the place but judging by Google Earth photos to my mind the area is a prime/intact shallow digging site ..... very few of them are as intact or extensive so there is a good reason to have them preserved. If that's the case then the landowner should be compensated although in the case of buildings that is never the case, you buy them with the knowledge that there are limits to what you can/can't do.
I doubt we have all the facts from both sides, timing of decisions etc, while making a compassionate case sadly it's probably only the lawyers that will end up winning.
My 2 bobs worth, playing the devils advocate, according to VicPlan the majority of that and adjoining land is zoned FZ (from memory) that means "farming/agricultural", anything that destroys that ability is usually frowned upon, mining is outside that zoning. Areas are also clearly listed as HO (Heritage Overlay) .... not being listed on the Heritage Register does not negate that there is a Heritage overlay on the land. Many people by property/houses with Heritage Overlays and must comply with Heritage requirements, happens regularly when people want to renovate old building (and again they do not need to be listed on the heritage Register.
Haven't seen the place but judging by Google Earth photos to my mind the area is a prime/intact shallow digging site ..... very few of them are as intact or extensive so there is a good reason to have them preserved. If that's the case then the landowner should be compensated although in the case of buildings that is never the case, you buy them with the knowledge that there are limits to what you can/can't do.
I doubt we have all the facts from both sides, timing of decisions etc, while making a compassionate case sadly it's probably only the lawyers that will end up winning.
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Two sides to every story. More to this than meets the eye. Not a good idea to big note yourself on some BS 'reality' TV rubbish.
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It seems the heritage department made the decision to make Old lead German diggings historical in 2020, see this link for the pdf file. what was the air/screening date of the episode? I'm hoping I am wrong but it does make you wonder why heritage department never took an interest in the property until 2020.
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Heritage Vic have dormant overlays all over Victoria, both buildings and land.
Conditions are set on application to renovate, improve or in this case mine, not on purchase, nothing do do with "airing date".
Although highlighting the whole process on international TV would not have helped..
Conditions are set on application to renovate, improve or in this case mine, not on purchase, nothing do do with "airing date".
Although highlighting the whole process on international TV would not have helped..
My feelings are compromised. I have often looked at it and wondered what could I do if I owned that land. Another me just wants it to be preserved as is as an outstanding visual reminder of the energetic days of our goldfields history of which we should all be proud.
If a premium was paid on the land in anticipation of its potential mining value, then that would be the risk of the purchaser if a mining permit is not issued.
Heritage classification on a building does not negate its basic functional use as a residence or office.
If it is true that in this case the Heritage classification on the land prevents its most basic use ie farming, then that seems unfair and he should be compensated or paid to have the land or the relevant portion of it resumed* by the government.
Edit - Resumed at cost valuation of farming land
If a premium was paid on the land in anticipation of its potential mining value, then that would be the risk of the purchaser if a mining permit is not issued.
Heritage classification on a building does not negate its basic functional use as a residence or office.
If it is true that in this case the Heritage classification on the land prevents its most basic use ie farming, then that seems unfair and he should be compensated or paid to have the land or the relevant portion of it resumed* by the government.
Edit - Resumed at cost valuation of farming land
Teemore
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According to VicPlan the land is zoned FZ .... allows farming/agricultural use, sadly that doesn't include mining.
If this paste works then this set of info provides an insight into why the area has a HO (heritage overlay).
https://vhd.heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/places/206182#statement-significance
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Teemore
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Example of "mined" land in an area not as significant as Dunolly. There are many similar that I've found on Google Earth, including land just itching to be detected and not yet "mined".
Not sure which I prefer, regardless, like so many of our goldfields most of it is now "private" and inaccessible anyway (unless you have permission).
Not sure which I prefer, regardless, like so many of our goldfields most of it is now "private" and inaccessible anyway (unless you have permission).
Eureka again?
